I’ve been a student of the Carnatic tradition for ~13 years now. Elaborating on what makes the Hindustani and Carnatic traditions different from (and similar to) each other is something I thought might be of interest to the Uhooroo community. Disclaimer: Before writing this blog, my knowledge (or should I say impressions?) of Hindustani came almost exclusively from listening to music. I’ve been doing some reading on Hindustani of late and if I’ve missed something, do leave a comment :)I have attempted to talk about differences in the aspects of the 2 systems that I thought might be of interest to a general audience. Origins, themes, the roles of the raaga system and the role of improv:
Origins: Almost any source on the origins of Hindustani music ends up attributing origins to two prolific musicians. Amir Khusro was a 13th century Sufi mystic who has been credited with the invention of the sitar and the tabla as well as the development of the Qawwali, Khayal and Taranaa schools of singing. The other was Mian Tansen, the musical genius who was one of nine “Navratnas” in the court of the Mogul Emperor Akbar. Additionally, almost any serious Hindustani musician would claim affiliation to a Gharana – which usually refers to a school of singing (characterized by a syllabus and style of teaching).
Carnatic owes its origins to the three men referred to as the “Trimurthis” or the Trinity (Thyagarajar, Shyama Shastry
and Muthuswamy Dikshitar). Additionally there is a pantheon of other composers whose influence on the tradition has been non-trivial. The important difference here is the composers came up with “krithis” which included lyrics (most usually in the classical forms of Telugu, Kannada, Tamil and Sanskrit) as well. Faithful adherence to these lyrics is an important characteristic of the Carnatic tradition. On the face of it, it does not seem like compositions by Khusro or Tansen are still being sung (correct me if I am wrong).
Themes: Carnatic lyrics are often an artifact of the composer’s devotion to God. Different composers are known for their Krithis honoring specific Hindu Gods. For instance, Thyagarajar is known for his krithis on Rama and Dikshitar for his Krithis on Devi. Hindustani on the other hand, is characterized by secular themes that transcend the devotional. The Persian influence on Hindustani may be one reason for this. The Persian poets Rumi and Khayyam often wrote poetry on love and romance. Hindustani lyrics often focus on the beauty of the seasons, the love between Radha and Krishna, colour and other secular themes.
The role of Raagas in the two systems: For the general reader, I would like to explain what a raaga is. Both forms of music have the basic seven notes (or swaras) – sa, re, ga, ma, pa, da,ni. For those whocare, these are in fact abbreviations. Sa = Shadja, Re = Rishaba, Ga = Gandhara, Ma = Madhyama, Pa = Panchama, Da = Daivata, Ni = Nishada. Sa and Pa are fixed. The remaining swaras have flat and transpose notes. The system of raaga dictates that only a subset of these seven notes may be used (along with frequency of use) for any specific composition. Now, onto where the two raaga systems digress.. Carnatic does not have the notion of samay. In other words, the notion of morning/evening ragas which are common in Hindustani music, do not feature in Carnatic. The Hindustani raaga system is based on thaats. Each thaat corresponds to a full scale that comprises all seven swaras. There are 10 thaats in all (Bilawal, Bhairav, Bhairavi, Asawari, Kalyan, Khammaj, Kafi, Marwa, Purvi, Todi). Since five of the seven swaras have two forms each, 32 (2 to the power of 5) swara combinations are possible. But only the 10 thaats find widespread use in Hindustani compositions.
The raaga system in Carnatic is quite different – we adhere to the Melakarta system. Unlike in Hindustani, certain swaras in Carnatic (Ri, Ga and Da) come in three forms and not two. As with Hindustani, Sa and Pa are fixed. Ma and Ni come in two flavors each. The combinations give us a total of 72 raagas which are termed as Melakarta ragas all of which contain all seven swaras. The alert reader might observe that we should have ended up with 108 raagas (1 X 3 X 3 X 2 X 1 X 3 X 2). But the following constraints limit the number of ragas to 72 (Ri2 = Ga1, Ri3= Ga2, Da2=Ni1, Da3=Ni2). Unlike in Hindustani, all 72 raagas are available for composition. It is hard to gain an appreciation of the Carnatic Raaga system without delving into the concept of Chakras which is a large enough topic to merit another blog post in itself (to come in the next month or so).
A handful of ragas have a one-to-one correspondence on both systems. These ragas form the basis for Carnatic-Hindustani fusion/jugalbandhi. They are Hindolam (Malkauns), Mohanam (Bhoop), Shankarabharanam (Bilawal), Kalyani (Yaman).
The role of improvisation in both systems: For someone whose knowledge of Hindustani derives mainly from listening and reading a bit about it, it seems that the whole point of this tradition is to allow a musician to pick a raaga and to explore it to the fullest. Carnatic, on the other hand is about remaining faithful to the intent of the composer. Improvisation is limited to an alaapanai (alap) that precedes the singing of the main krithi. The length of an alaap in a typical Carnatic concert can range from a few seconds to 15 minutes or so depending upon audience receptiveness. There is also significant artist improv in the singing of Kalpana Swaras the follow the krithi. The topic of Kalpana Swaras is complex enough to merit another blog post in itself.
Well, that’s about it for now. Do drop a comment or two to let me know if any of this made sense – especially if you are a casual reader. The idea is definitely to make this seemingly arcane topic accessible.
32 comments:
Prithvi, quite educational- I learned a thing or two since I am a novice in the theory of music- look forward to learning more especially about raagas: origins, characteristics etc. Also, would you say "neraval" is also kind of a provision for improv within the defined limits of the math and lyrics of the composition?
Lovely presentation of the two systems. Please give us more gyan that you mentioned about i.e. a blogpost on alaap, kalpanaswara, niraval.
Lovely comparison. Looking forward to your next few blog ideas to flower.
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Dear Prithvi,
Dhruvpad and Dhamaar gayaki are also an inseparable part of Hindustani Music. The comment about origin of Hindustani music "Almost any source
on the origins of Hindustani music ends up attributing origins to two
prolific musicians." deals only with regard to Khayaal gayaki and its subsequent singing styles prevalent during the Mughal era.
The music was very much part of the culture in northern India much
before the Mughal's invasion. And at that time it was by and large
devotional, since it was mostly practiced in temples.
Taansen's guru - Swami Haridas was not a khayaal singer. He was a
devotional music singer. While being a courtesan, Taansen adopted and developed the singing styles which were more suited to emperors and kings and hence the journey began from 'Devotional to Romantic.'
And yes, in a way you are right and wrong both: "On the face of it, it does not seem like compositions by Khusro or Taansen are still being sung (correct me if I am wrong)"
It is not the composition that has the value. It is the raag
mainly or the singing style which is passed on to generations. Though
there are a few songs of Amir Khusaro being sung even today and are as popular as any other contemporary compositions.
A few raag : Miyan ki Todi, Miyan ki Malhar etc., promulgated by
aansen are still find a place amongst the top 50 most popular raagas of today.
Dhruvpad and Dhamaar gayaki could not hold much charm during the Mughal era mainly on two grounds :
One - The Dhruvpad and Dhamaar gayaki was much complicated with regards to its "layakaari" a highly complex taal system and its different variations, which needed a great command and skill over singing , voice control and vast sense of Taal.
Two - Because of the much complicated system of "Layakari" the whole singing style became more of an expression of the Artist's musical skills rather than the musical/emotional rendition of the song. Thus it
became Dry... weak in creating 'Ras' or, Anand.'
On the other hand, the Khayaal gayaki was more liberal and
comparatively easy also in its basic approach and had more of Romantic and Sensuous lyrical content to attract the masses, which also appealed to the 'Rajasic natured' Emperors and Kings.
Regards,
SHEKHAR GEMINI
Dear Prithvi,
In the part of 'Thaats', the following two points need further elaboration as they seem to be bit confusing and are not very clear :
Ref.(There are 10 thaats in all (Bilawal, Bhairav, Bhairavi, Asawari, Kalyan, Khammaj, Kafi, Marwa, Purvi, Todi.)
One - "Since five of the seven swaras have two forms each, 32 (2 to the power of 5) swara combinations are possible."
Two - "But only the 10 thaats find widespread use in Hindustani compositions."
Rgds,
SHEKHAR GEMINI
http://debatesangeet.blogspot.com/2008/09/hoax-of-century-i.html
A mention of Purandaradasa (the great Kannada poet, philosopher, musician and composer) from the 16th century, is needed here. Purandaradasa created the basic system of teaching used by all Carnatic music teachers in their classes. It is because of his system that we even had greats like Thyagaraja, Purandaradasa and Dikshitar. :)
The other thing that may require mention is that the legends associated with ragas in Carnatic have in some cases come from Hindustani music. There have been ragas which have travelled from one system to another by cultural exchanges, and because of people like Dikshitar who traveled the length and breadth of India deriving musical ideas that he used to develop Carnatic music. Much of Carnatic music's richness is because of these efforts.
A lot of people try to compare performers in one style to another, which is sometimes given to fault, just as it is not possible to compare apples to oranges. A room mate of mine once said that Bhimsen Joshi comprehensively defeated Balamurali Krishna in one performance - which means nothing, except for the ignorance of this room mate. All art is to be appreciated - there are no defeats, only inconsistencies, and even these fit into the artistic framework and can be appreciated. Just like this, saying that one percussionist is better than another is also folly.
Lovely presentation of the two systems
Great effort to present various aspects of Indian music. Indeed a job worth appreciation
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Hello Prithvi - this was a fascinating post. But as a layman and a rasika of Carnatic music (and a budding rasika of Hindustani) I would love to learn more.
- A few words about the timeline of these musical forms. Many of the material over the net traces the beginnings of Indian classical music to the Samaveda. Logically that leads us to believe that there was just one style at that point which then diversified into Hindustani and Carnatic after introduction of Persian influence in the North. So, are we to believe that the Carnatic style is the one that follows closely the metres mentioned in Samaveda?
- Also why the choice of 'Carnatic' for the South Indian style of music? Why not Andhra or Tamil? Just curious.
- Are there parallels to Hindustani styles such as Drupad, Khayal and Thumri in Carnatic? If so, what are they?
- You have mentioned how Hindustani music deals with diverse subjects where Carnatic music mainly deals with bhakti. Are there any exceptions at all to this rule in Carnatic music?
Look forward to more such educative posts from you.
Thanks,
Balachandhran.S
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